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Can A Nightmare On Elm Street work without Englund?

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I'll come clean right off the bat. In the war of the slasher franchises, I was never really a Freddy fan. I'm actually very pro-hockey mask and I'll tell you what turned me off to Nightmare: The quips. I like the first Nightmare On Elm Street. By 1984, slashers were very tired. Halloween and Friday the 13th created an indie movie boom town of slasher movies and it didn't take long for the concept to run out of gas so it was nice to see Wes Craven come along and kick it in the ass with something genuinely original. The glove helped a lot, too. But the sequels were a huge turnoff for me.

But I do recognize the importance of Robert Englund. Guys like Jason Voorhees and Michael Meyers are faceless killers, recognized by the masks they wear and not necessarily their personality or their face. Actors behind those masks came and went with each sequel and even if you want to argue with me about how vital Kane Hodder is to Jason, you're wrong. Any big-ass dude can slam a slutty chick in a sleeping bag against a tree. But Englund is to Freddy like Lugosi is to Dracula. I really don't think you can have one without the other.

So I haven't really been paying attention, but I've seen blips here and there about a Nightmare on Elm Street remake or reboot or whatever. It was inevitable. Hollywood won't be happy until they're remaking remakes of remakes, you know? Today I saw that it was official and even though I won't see a Nightmare remake, there's something patently wrong with doing Freddy without Robert Englund. And I don't mean this in the way that they'll spoil him, deconstruct the character and tune him up for a newer, younger audience that wasn't even born when the original was released, I mean that I just don't think you can do Freddy without Robert Englund. The character is so strong and has such an enduring appeal that I think that even modern teenage audiences will be soured by a Freddy Krueger that isn't played by the actor who really defines the character. He'll look wrong, he'll sound wrong. Horror fans, young and old, have seen these Nightmare On Elm Streets at least by way of video store by this point.

With Platinum Dunes behind the wheel again, I can only assume that they're going to focus group the shit out of Freddy and sort of distill him down to the most recognizable elements like they did with Jason. He'll be a different Freddy but certain characteristics will remain intact in order to make him identifiable. What I fear, like a Friday remake where they don't even bother with Pamela Voorhees, the bag over the head or the shack in the woods, they just cut to the chase, put Jason out there and slap a hockey mask on him, but I digress. The fear about Freddy is that rather than make him the sick motherfucker from the first movie, he'll be the quipping idiot from the later, softer sequels in the canon. The character that I really hate.

Thoughts? Am I off base?

Drunken Zombie's picture

I think Freddy's one liners

I think Freddy's one liners is what makes him great. Nothing beats getting killed by someone making fun of you rather than the silent treatment you get from Jason and Michael. And of course that is what would have been a lot of the draw back when the Freddy vs. Jason vs. Ash movie was being considered. Freddy and Ash trading quips back and forth. I think the movie will suck. No Englund? No Freddy. It's a bad idea. I was just having this converstion on our page too when I posted the new Jason pics.

And just for a correction I have heard that in fact both the burlap sack and the hockey mask will be prevalent in the Friday remake.
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Eric's picture

Pamela

And Mrs Voorhess too, she'll be played by scifi staple Nana Visitor.

However, I agree that not having Englund is a huge mistake. The only person I would trust reinventing the franchise without Englund at this point is Christopher Nolan, ha. That said, I think they'll take Freddy back to his gritty roots and try to make him scary again. That's the irony about all of these remakes... as much as I hate them, most of them at least try and take these characters back to their roots, which is what we as fans have been looking for forever. So I guess it's bit of a double edged sword.

Prisoner Abel's picture

Personally, my favorite

Personally, my favorite Freddy is still the one from Nightmare on Elm Street, basically silent and much scarier for it. I think new blood and possibly a new interpretation might be interesting. I meant Lugosi is great and totally what got me into horror at the age of 5, but Christopher Lee is pretty magnificent as well. So as long as we get a Lee instead of Langella or Hamilton, the film just might work.

Oh and Hodder will always be Jason, the single best interpretation ever.

"I like it when they lie still like that."

mark's picture

Well, Kane Hodder got

Well, Kane Hodder got stiffed on Jason this time around, so why not make him Freddy hahaha

Honestly, I can't imagine Freddy not being Englund. Is it a matter of him not wanting to be associated with the character anymore or what? It's not like he's not still working, and he's been in the B pictures lately so it seems kind of puzzling to me that he wouldn't want to be involved, unless there are some shenanigans involved.

Prisoner Abel's picture

Englund

Englund not wanting to be associated with Freddy? That's honestly one of the funniest things I've heard in a long time. Half the horror movie rumors for the last couple years has been him talking about the next Freddy movie that will never happen.

"I like it when they lie still like that."

mark's picture

Yeah I mean I was more

Yeah I mean I was more trying to make sense of the hearsay, and I'm confused as to whether it's fact or fiction that he wont be reprising his role.

Prisoner Abel's picture

There's no way to know

Considering the fact that there's no director attached and the script isn't even written it makes to sense to even guess. A lot could change in the time it takes for the script to be finished and a director to decide what their vision is. Personally I don't see the point of remaking the film if you're going to keep Englund, just make it a sequel then.

"I like it when they lie still like that."