As promised, the trailer for Rob Zombie's "H2" landed over at Yahoo Movies today. We'll update this post as soon as we can get our hands on an embeddable version.
For the most part I despised the remake with the exception of Sheri Moon Zombie - both as her character and as an actress. She actually brought some heart and soul to the screen while everyone else was pantomiming and moving from point a to point b. However, she now looks like the weakest link of the new film with a questionable Mrs. Voorhees turn and first-time-line-reading-acting.
Submitted by John Shelton on Sat, 04/25/2009 - 03:21.
or possibly just sleep with Rob Zombie.
I'm gonna go out a limb here and say that while I'm pretty underwhelmed by the trailer and amazed that he somehow found a way to shove in even more of the unnecessary backstory that dragged down the first movie, I am excited that we're now one step closer to possibly being blessed with Rob Zombie's "H3: Season of the Witch."
No, seriously. I think that would make for a much better Rob Zombie movie than anything with Mikey Myers. He's made it this far, why not? Whaddya think, Bill Forsythe in the Tom Atkins role?
Submitted by TheMovieGod on Sat, 04/25/2009 - 00:14.
While I hated the first one, it was a well made film and I could see the potential in Rob Zombie. However, he destroyed all that made Mike Myers so scary. The reason that he frightened us is that we DIDN'T know why he went apeshit crazy. He's just pure evil. I think he just over-analyzed the character. When all of the negative backlash came back he said that the sequel wouldn't deal anymore with Michael's back story....He lied.The trailer started off pretty well up until we flash to Sheri Moon Zombie telling Michael "Only a river of blood can bring us back together". ARE YOU SHITING ME? Why in the fuck hell would SHE be appearing to Michael. He didn't seem to care in the first film where she blew her brains out. They better not go all Halloween 6 on us.
I forgot to say this in my initial post, but I will be the geeky one to admit that seeing Laurie Strode limp through the hospital corridors again definitely make me smile. :)
Submitted by Drunken Zombie on Sat, 04/25/2009 - 01:56.
I HATED the first one. But figured with the backstory that I didn't like out of the way that now we could really see Zombie take HALLOWEEN into a cool direction. Finally he could just tell a HALLOWEEN story without having to worry about following a story line so fans of the original wouldn't be up in arms. But seeing the trailer it seems like he went and put all that backstory stuff in that people hated. Ugh. I was actually digging the trailer until the Sherri Moon Zombie White Witch showed up. Zombie's turning him into Jason. Maybe he should have done the F13 remake so he could have worked that out. I think there's a decent idea there but the whole backstory/ghost mom thing ruins it for me. Maybe we can get a fan cut with all that missing. www.drunkenzombie.com
Completely Agree with Drunken Zombie. The first thing I thought of when I saw Sherri Moon was Friday the 13th. Then at the end she orders him to kill, Isn't that the exact same concept that they used in the Jason films after the original. I mean I really thought he was going to do something decent with his own project but just seems like more overdone music video style bullshit.
Submitted by Ms Harker on Sat, 04/25/2009 - 03:32.
I haven't seen the first film, I am assuming Sheri Moon is the chick with the white hair? The trailer I just watched on First Showing: http://tinyurl.com/h2trailerfirstshowing has been the first thing that has peaked my interest about the Halloween franchise. I do care why Jason is the way he is, how he became to be, I want to know. I also agree with the above comments about the hospital scene, there is something extra chilling about a homicidal maniac leaving a path of destruction through a place of healing...
Submitted by Amazonagent on Sat, 04/25/2009 - 03:34.
Instead he's remaking Friday the 13th because it looks like Mike is now Jason. *sigh* Why did he even bother to come back for this...He should have just gone and done his own thing. Even though I don't like Ho100C or Devils Rejects I can say that he was at least making his own film. Whatever, I wasn't planning on seeing this anyways so it doesn't matter. It's just disappointing to see a guy who has a good eye for directing coming up with this material.
Not to be a dick, but first of all his name is Michael, Michael Myers. I know that was an honest mistake but sorry. If you haven't seen the first film then there's your backstory, go enjoy that because that movie is 75% backstory of "Michael Myers" and then 25% remake of the original Halloween. I would have really enjoyed the first remake if it had been about Johnny the Serial Killer or something but because it was Michael I couldn't stand it. If you want to be interested in the Halloween franchise, go watch Carpenter's original and then the sequel and that's about all you really need.
Submitted by Louis Fowler on Sat, 04/25/2009 - 07:24.
ROB ZOMBIE'S HALLOWEEN was better than the original, all of you are just afraid to admit. I applaud Zombie for taking H2 in an insane direction, making the series his own. If only other remake directors had enough balls to assert so much control and personal flair over their work. Maybe that's why you guys hate it so much. You're so use to shit like MY BLOODY VALENTINE or FRIDAY THE 13th that when someone comes along and totally upsets the status quo, you don't know how exactly to react, and misinterpret it as hate.
Remember: as much as you all hated RZ's H, you all hated the last few HALLOWEENs (Busta Bust, anyone?) even more. Those were quick workmanlike jobs that tarnished the character into near unrecognizable oblivion. Zombie has an obvious love of not only the Myers character, but the whole horror/cult genre, we should be getting on our fucking knees and thanking him. Would you rather have a fucking hack like Marcus Nispel screwing up your precious Michael Myers??
And the funny thing is that as much shit as you guys talk, all of you will be there opening weekend. All of you.
Rob Zombie's Halloween was not better than the original. It's a decent slasher movie but didn't have the same meaning or spirit of the same Halloween. I understand that Rob is doing is own thing and can appreciate it on a certain level, but the original Halloween started the real wave of the Slasher genre.
I believe i am in the minority that I like House of 1000 Corpses and Devil's Rejects, but still did not enjoy his remake once he started remaking the actual film and diverted from the backstory. But I will not go see this movie opening weekend, I can't say I wouldn't mind seeing it in the dollar theaters but that's it. I just don't WANT to see it anymore, but that's just me.
But hey, at least Zombie has us all talking about something lol.
I gave H1 8/10 on this very site to counter Scnaars pan of it. (Maybe it was Eric's)
I don't think RZ's Halloween was better than the original, but I still enjoyed the hell out of it myself.
I think there's a strong chance that I'm the only one of the podcast crew that thinks Zombie's actually growing as a film maker every flick he makes. I thought Devil's Rejects was pretty damn awesome all around.
I actually kind of liked the remake. We were talking about tossing it around in the weeks leading up to the sequel, because we never did a proper podcast episode on it.
Sheri Moon still bothers me. She seems tacked on to all of his movies, and she's a horrible actress. I can forgive most of the other stuff.
Submitted by Louis Fowler on Sun, 04/26/2009 - 00:17.
That's another thing: why do people rag on Zombie for his casting? He casts the best genre actors--the ones who don't get any respect in mainstream film and the ones we line up for at cons--and actually gives them something to do instead of some slick, winking cameo. Maybe people would rather he cast some CW/90210 twink instead of Danny Trejo or Udo Kier.
I love these guys for their horror cred just as much as the next guy, but let's get real here, to call them the "best actors" is ludicrous. There's a reason most of them were in 1 or 2 films 20 years ago and then disappeared. Zombie is like a child who refuses to grow up, so he continues to beat his obsession with lower-middle class families into the ground, and fill his films with the aging actors he was obsessed with growing up.
The problem with all of his tendencies is this. It's impossible to get lost into his film worlds because every 5 second you're forced to stop and say "hey, I've seen that guy before, neat!" It's incessant, annoying, and unnecessary. I would rather see a cast of capable, unknown teens than one filled with genre vets any day. It's becoming an easy out for independent filmmakers and now Zombie is bringing it to the theaters... again... joy.
Gotta agree with Eric. As much as I love guys like Trejo, Bill Moseley and Sid Haig it has the ability to totally take genre fans out of movies when were playing spot the cameo half of the movie.
Submitted by Louis Fowler on Mon, 04/27/2009 - 05:51.
"I love these guys for their horror cred just as much as the next guy, but let's get real here, to call them the "best actors" is ludicrous."
I didn't say that they were the "greatest actors of all-time", I said that they are some of the best actors of GENRE film.
"Zombie is like a child who refuses to grow up, so he continues to beat his obsession with lower-middle class families into the ground..."
For a liberal, this is kind of a classist comment! Don't the lower-middle class (white trash, if you will) deserve to have their stories told as much as the upper-middle class that so many of you are from? As someone who grew up in abject poverty, I find his explorations of poor America much more fascinating than what ever rich white-boy frat fantasies most filmmakers seem to "obsess" over. Perhaps the Abercrombie and Fitch wearing, David Cassidy-haired twinky-teens make most horror fans feel comfortable because that is what they are.
"It's impossible to get lost into his film worlds because every 5 second you're forced to stop and say "hey, I've seen that guy before, neat!""
In most films, I would completely agree with you, but like I said earlier, instead of putting genre actors in "winking" cameos, Zombie uses them as part of the story, to move plot along. For example, this week in the news there was a story about Richard Dreyfuss showing up in PIRHANA 3D drinking "Amity coffee" or something. Those are the kind of silly cameos we should be railing against. When Zombie cast Ken Foree in his films, he doesn't look at the camera and say " When there's no more room in Hell...", he's a realized character with something to do. If a viewer doesn't see the character and instead the actor, that's not Zombie's fault.
So Sheri Moon Zombie as a stripper, making breakfast for her emotionally disturbed son who kills rats for fun, while William Forsythe tells her he'll "skull-fuck the shit out of her", is a "fascinating" deconstruction of lower middle class America?
One of the things I am interested to see about this movie is how Zombie deals with having two "final girls" being pursued at the same time. I assume Danielle Harris' character is going to eat it at some point because she was about to have the sex when she was almost killed, but it should provide a pretty interesting starting point to the film.
If you’re a fan of Hitchcock, pitch black comedy and nasty people doing nasty things to each other, “Common Wealth” will probably be right up your dark alley.
I don't get why it's so hard
Submitted by phronk on Fri, 04/24/2009 - 22:37.I don't get why it's so hard to understand that, in a movie like this, nobody gives a shit about "the secret behind his madness."
Dammit I can't stop posting today!!
Submitted by Jack on Fri, 04/24/2009 - 22:46.Phronk, the same question I had when I saw the trailer. There are no secrets, and none that we care about.
FUCK SHERI MOON ZOMBIE. SHE
Submitted by mark on Fri, 04/24/2009 - 23:52.FUCK SHERI MOON ZOMBIE. SHE IS AWFUL. FUHHHHCK.
kill her baby
Submitted by loki315 on Sat, 04/25/2009 - 00:16.could that line be read any flatter?
the one good thing is now the one bad thing
Submitted by Robert on Sat, 04/25/2009 - 00:30.For the most part I despised the remake with the exception of Sheri Moon Zombie - both as her character and as an actress. She actually brought some heart and soul to the screen while everyone else was pantomiming and moving from point a to point b. However, she now looks like the weakest link of the new film with a questionable Mrs. Voorhees turn and first-time-line-reading-acting.
Moon
Submitted by Prisoner Abel on Sat, 04/25/2009 - 00:37.What the hell did she do before Rob Zombie started forcing her into all his movies?
"I like it when they lie still like that."
Strip?
Submitted by John Shelton on Sat, 04/25/2009 - 03:21.or possibly just sleep with Rob Zombie.
I'm gonna go out a limb here and say that while I'm pretty underwhelmed by the trailer and amazed that he somehow found a way to shove in even more of the unnecessary backstory that dragged down the first movie, I am excited that we're now one step closer to possibly being blessed with Rob Zombie's "H3: Season of the Witch."
No, seriously. I think that would make for a much better Rob Zombie movie than anything with Mikey Myers. He's made it this far, why not? Whaddya think, Bill Forsythe in the Tom Atkins role?
Rob Zombie Hates Us All
Submitted by TheMovieGod on Sat, 04/25/2009 - 00:14.While I hated the first one, it was a well made film and I could see the potential in Rob Zombie. However, he destroyed all that made Mike Myers so scary. The reason that he frightened us is that we DIDN'T know why he went apeshit crazy. He's just pure evil. I think he just over-analyzed the character. When all of the negative backlash came back he said that the sequel wouldn't deal anymore with Michael's back story....He lied.The trailer started off pretty well up until we flash to Sheri Moon Zombie telling Michael "Only a river of blood can bring us back together". ARE YOU SHITING ME? Why in the fuck hell would SHE be appearing to Michael. He didn't seem to care in the first film where she blew her brains out. They better not go all Halloween 6 on us.
hospital
Submitted by Robert on Sat, 04/25/2009 - 00:37.I forgot to say this in my initial post, but I will be the geeky one to admit that seeing Laurie Strode limp through the hospital corridors again definitely make me smile. :)
I HATED the first one. But
Submitted by Drunken Zombie on Sat, 04/25/2009 - 01:56.I HATED the first one. But figured with the backstory that I didn't like out of the way that now we could really see Zombie take HALLOWEEN into a cool direction. Finally he could just tell a HALLOWEEN story without having to worry about following a story line so fans of the original wouldn't be up in arms. But seeing the trailer it seems like he went and put all that backstory stuff in that people hated. Ugh. I was actually digging the trailer until the Sherri Moon Zombie White Witch showed up. Zombie's turning him into Jason. Maybe he should have done the F13 remake so he could have worked that out. I think there's a decent idea there but the whole backstory/ghost mom thing ruins it for me. Maybe we can get a fan cut with all that missing.
www.drunkenzombie.com
Completely Agree with
Submitted by CG34 on Sat, 04/25/2009 - 02:27.Completely Agree with Drunken Zombie. The first thing I thought of when I saw Sherri Moon was Friday the 13th. Then at the end she orders him to kill, Isn't that the exact same concept that they used in the Jason films after the original. I mean I really thought he was going to do something decent with his own project but just seems like more overdone music video style bullshit.
Wow! You guys are riled!
Submitted by Ms Harker on Sat, 04/25/2009 - 03:32.I haven't seen the first film, I am assuming Sheri Moon is the chick with the white hair? The trailer I just watched on First Showing:
http://tinyurl.com/h2trailerfirstshowing has been the first thing that has peaked my interest about the Halloween franchise. I do care why Jason is the way he is, how he became to be, I want to know. I also agree with the above comments about the hospital scene, there is something extra chilling about a homicidal maniac leaving a path of destruction through a place of healing...
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He said he wasn't remaking Halloween 2...
Submitted by Amazonagent on Sat, 04/25/2009 - 03:34.Instead he's remaking Friday the 13th because it looks like Mike is now Jason. *sigh* Why did he even bother to come back for this...He should have just gone and done his own thing. Even though I don't like Ho100C or Devils Rejects I can say that he was at least making his own film. Whatever, I wasn't planning on seeing this anyways so it doesn't matter. It's just disappointing to see a guy who has a good eye for directing coming up with this material.
-Tanya
Jason is a Zombie ^_^
Not to be a dick, but first
Submitted by CG34 on Sat, 04/25/2009 - 04:51.Not to be a dick, but first of all his name is Michael, Michael Myers. I know that was an honest mistake but sorry. If you haven't seen the first film then there's your backstory, go enjoy that because that movie is 75% backstory of "Michael Myers" and then 25% remake of the original Halloween. I would have really enjoyed the first remake if it had been about Johnny the Serial Killer or something but because it was Michael I couldn't stand it. If you want to be interested in the Halloween franchise, go watch Carpenter's original and then the sequel and that's about all you really need.
Screw the rest of the Problems
Submitted by Casey on Sat, 04/25/2009 - 04:00.I still can't get over the fact they showed him unmasked in the freaking trailer, let alone the movie! DON'T UNMASK MICHAEL MYERS
That said, I <3 Sheri Moon Zombie but it really doesn't have anything to do with her acting. She's purdy!
HATER-WEEN 2!
Submitted by Louis Fowler on Sat, 04/25/2009 - 07:24.ROB ZOMBIE'S HALLOWEEN was better than the original, all of you are just afraid to admit. I applaud Zombie for taking H2 in an insane direction, making the series his own. If only other remake directors had enough balls to assert so much control and personal flair over their work. Maybe that's why you guys hate it so much. You're so use to shit like MY BLOODY VALENTINE or FRIDAY THE 13th that when someone comes along and totally upsets the status quo, you don't know how exactly to react, and misinterpret it as hate.
Remember: as much as you all hated RZ's H, you all hated the last few HALLOWEENs (Busta Bust, anyone?) even more. Those were quick workmanlike jobs that tarnished the character into near unrecognizable oblivion. Zombie has an obvious love of not only the Myers character, but the whole horror/cult genre, we should be getting on our fucking knees and thanking him. Would you rather have a fucking hack like Marcus Nispel screwing up your precious Michael Myers??
And the funny thing is that as much shit as you guys talk, all of you will be there opening weekend. All of you.
Rob Zombie's Halloween was
Submitted by CG34 on Sat, 04/25/2009 - 08:32.Rob Zombie's Halloween was not better than the original. It's a decent slasher movie but didn't have the same meaning or spirit of the same Halloween. I understand that Rob is doing is own thing and can appreciate it on a certain level, but the original Halloween started the real wave of the Slasher genre.
I believe i am in the minority that I like House of 1000 Corpses and Devil's Rejects, but still did not enjoy his remake once he started remaking the actual film and diverted from the backstory. But I will not go see this movie opening weekend, I can't say I wouldn't mind seeing it in the dollar theaters but that's it. I just don't WANT to see it anymore, but that's just me.
But hey, at least Zombie has us all talking about something lol.
Reiterating my point.
Submitted by Louis Fowler on Sun, 04/26/2009 - 00:12."Rob Zombie's Halloween was not better than the original."
Ummm...yes it was.
Just for the Record:
Submitted by Casey on Sun, 04/26/2009 - 02:40.I gave H1 8/10 on this very site to counter Scnaars pan of it. (Maybe it was Eric's)
I don't think RZ's Halloween was better than the original, but I still enjoyed the hell out of it myself.
I think there's a strong chance that I'm the only one of the podcast crew that thinks Zombie's actually growing as a film maker every flick he makes. I thought Devil's Rejects was pretty damn awesome all around.
I agree on the genre stars/casting comments too.
I actually kind of liked the
Submitted by mark on Sat, 04/25/2009 - 19:24.I actually kind of liked the remake. We were talking about tossing it around in the weeks leading up to the sequel, because we never did a proper podcast episode on it.
Sheri Moon still bothers me. She seems tacked on to all of his movies, and she's a horrible actress. I can forgive most of the other stuff.
I feel like we should start
Submitted by CG34 on Sat, 04/25/2009 - 20:34.I feel like we should start calling them Rob Zombie Joints since he reuses everyone in each movie lol.
Casting.
Submitted by Louis Fowler on Sun, 04/26/2009 - 00:17.That's another thing: why do people rag on Zombie for his casting? He casts the best genre actors--the ones who don't get any respect in mainstream film and the ones we line up for at cons--and actually gives them something to do instead of some slick, winking cameo. Maybe people would rather he cast some CW/90210 twink instead of Danny Trejo or Udo Kier.
actors
Submitted by Robert on Sun, 04/26/2009 - 06:11.Calling some of his troupe actors is a bit of a stretch, isn't it?
That's a stretch
Submitted by Eric on Sun, 04/26/2009 - 07:16.I love these guys for their horror cred just as much as the next guy, but let's get real here, to call them the "best actors" is ludicrous. There's a reason most of them were in 1 or 2 films 20 years ago and then disappeared. Zombie is like a child who refuses to grow up, so he continues to beat his obsession with lower-middle class families into the ground, and fill his films with the aging actors he was obsessed with growing up.
The problem with all of his tendencies is this. It's impossible to get lost into his film worlds because every 5 second you're forced to stop and say "hey, I've seen that guy before, neat!" It's incessant, annoying, and unnecessary. I would rather see a cast of capable, unknown teens than one filled with genre vets any day. It's becoming an easy out for independent filmmakers and now Zombie is bringing it to the theaters... again... joy.
Gotta agree with Eric. As
Submitted by CG34 on Sun, 04/26/2009 - 19:38.Gotta agree with Eric. As much as I love guys like Trejo, Bill Moseley and Sid Haig it has the ability to totally take genre fans out of movies when were playing spot the cameo half of the movie.
Ass. Titties. Ass'n'titties. Ass, ass, titties, titties.
Submitted by Louis Fowler on Mon, 04/27/2009 - 05:51."I love these guys for their horror cred just as much as the next guy, but let's get real here, to call them the "best actors" is ludicrous."
I didn't say that they were the "greatest actors of all-time", I said that they are some of the best actors of GENRE film.
"Zombie is like a child who refuses to grow up, so he continues to beat his obsession with lower-middle class families into the ground..."
For a liberal, this is kind of a classist comment! Don't the lower-middle class (white trash, if you will) deserve to have their stories told as much as the upper-middle class that so many of you are from? As someone who grew up in abject poverty, I find his explorations of poor America much more fascinating than what ever rich white-boy frat fantasies most filmmakers seem to "obsess" over. Perhaps the Abercrombie and Fitch wearing, David Cassidy-haired twinky-teens make most horror fans feel comfortable because that is what they are.
"It's impossible to get lost into his film worlds because every 5 second you're forced to stop and say "hey, I've seen that guy before, neat!""
In most films, I would completely agree with you, but like I said earlier, instead of putting genre actors in "winking" cameos, Zombie uses them as part of the story, to move plot along. For example, this week in the news there was a story about Richard Dreyfuss showing up in PIRHANA 3D drinking "Amity coffee" or something. Those are the kind of silly cameos we should be railing against. When Zombie cast Ken Foree in his films, he doesn't look at the camera and say " When there's no more room in Hell...", he's a realized character with something to do. If a viewer doesn't see the character and instead the actor, that's not Zombie's fault.
Just to clarify
Submitted by Eric on Mon, 04/27/2009 - 14:18.So Sheri Moon Zombie as a stripper, making breakfast for her emotionally disturbed son who kills rats for fun, while William Forsythe tells her he'll "skull-fuck the shit out of her", is a "fascinating" deconstruction of lower middle class America?
Oh ok, now I see.
Cornbread: Ain't Nuthin' Wrong With That!
Submitted by Louis Fowler on Wed, 04/29/2009 - 08:05.Yes, actually.
And sarcasm noted, sir.
Back to the trailer...
Submitted by mark on Mon, 04/27/2009 - 16:05.One of the things I am interested to see about this movie is how Zombie deals with having two "final girls" being pursued at the same time. I assume Danielle Harris' character is going to eat it at some point because she was about to have the sex when she was almost killed, but it should provide a pretty interesting starting point to the film.
BONERWEEN
Submitted by Louis Fowler on Wed, 04/29/2009 - 08:04.I'd love to see Danielle Harris eat it.