In yesterday's news we reported on a story regarding a new film called "Eve", and how its plot bore a striking resemblance to another film in production right now called "Hack & Slash". Both stories involve a sexy female with a dead parent who has made it her life mission to track down "slasher killers".
The catch is that "Hack/Slash" is based on a comic book property, and one that has been around for a few years now. So, as they tend to do, horror fans began to cry foul on "Eve".
The writer/director of "Eve", Brian Metcalf, got wind of the brouhaha pretty quickly, and fired off the following missive to the internet today. Check it out:
Now, I never did steal from this comic as my idea came when I watched a horror marathon when I was young with Friday the 13th, Happy Birthday to Me and others at a friend's house. Due to that, I noticed one thing in common, that all the girl victims ended up killing the psychos. I wanted to take that premise a step further and see what happens after that fact. Then I came up with the idea of Eve cutting a smile in her hand due to her abusive father telling her to smile all the time. The original story goes that she discovers this, is almost killed but the police save her at the last moment.
The rest I can assure is quite different than Hack/Slash due to now researching the comic. I did try to get this film made back in 1999 and executives told me that nobody would want to see a film like this. Now because of the striking similarities and with respect to Mr. Seeley and his beautiful work, I would now like to go a different direction as I REFUSE to do something that someone else is doing, even if its bankable. It has actually hurt my career as I turned down films with premises about a killer going after a group of teens in the woods.
I also ended up turning down other ideas that were somewhat similar. I love this genre dearly, am an avid horror fan, and want to give viewers something new and unique. And I definitely don't want another comparison like Deep Impact/Armageddon. I created Fading of the Cries as my solution to the zombie horror franchise because it's about a hero that manages to use a sword to kill the undead with a superhero touch to it. It isn't about a bunch of survivors running from the undead where they get shot in the head.
Even if I were in mid-production and made aware of this, I wouldn't let it get out. My congratulations to Mr. Seeley for putting out a comic that was published a number of years ago that I want to run and pick up. I would be upset to if the same happened to me. If I can't add some more originality to Eve, then I won't release it."
Wow... is this capitulation I'm seeing here? How often does one project actually cease production because of another similar one? From my understanding, very, very rarely. Now, perhaps we're being fed a lot of BS and these guys just got called on their game, or perhaps Brian Metcalf really is this noble of a guy. Either way, looks like we'll only have that glorious teaser art to keep us warm at night, at least when it comes to "Eve".

You sure?
Submitted by Casey on Thu, 04/02/2009 - 16:38.I didn't really take that as him bowing out. I got more of a 'I fucked up, so lets see if I can fix this. If I can't, then I'll bow out.'
I dunno, should be pretty easy to fix and hell, if Rogue or who ever is sitting on Hack/Slash isn't going to do shit with it, hire this guy and slap the name on it. At least he's working on something instead of letting the franchise rot on the shelf.
That and uh....Eve's really purdy
Rogue
Submitted by Eric on Thu, 04/02/2009 - 18:02.They're not sitting on Hack & Slash. It's being made as we speak.
Pre-production
Submitted by Prisoner Abel on Thu, 04/02/2009 - 19:03.Hasn't it been in pre-production for like 5 years now? No one's been cast as either of the leads. The last time I even saw anything about it in the news was almost a year ago, when the writer was talking about the script. I don't think "being made as we speak" is all that accurate.
"I like it when they lie still like that."
You sure?
Submitted by Casey on Thu, 04/02/2009 - 19:19.Yah, I thought I read something in one of the related articles yesterday that they haven't done squat. Heck, it wasn't till today that rumors of casting for Cassie Hack started to circulate.
I agree with some things you
Submitted by homen on Fri, 04/03/2009 - 19:50.I agree with some things you point out Casey. I don't think he's bowing out. But if you read my other statements, you''ll see that this is not some overly original idea to begin with as too many scripts have passed by me that have the same concepts way before both properties came out.
Bowing out?
Submitted by Prisoner Abel on Thu, 04/02/2009 - 17:38.Man, his entire statement just stinks of bullshit. He claims to have come up with the idea years ago when he was little, which there's no way to substantiate. He even says that the film was reject 10 years ago because executives told him no one would make them movie, which is totally besides the point since there's not enough information to substantiate it. He claims to have turned down many films because they were too similar to other films but looking at his IMDB, the only films he's made are the ones he's written. So that means either he wasn't offered other films or he's turned down every single film he was offered. And finally he say, "If I can't add some more originality to Eve, then I won't release it." But just paragraphs before he said "The bit with Eve's father and Cassie's mother is strikingly similar... The rest I can assure is quite different than Hack/Slash due to now researching the comic." So essentially, he's saying all he has to do is change the stuff about the father slightly and he's good.
"I like it when they lie still like that."
Bowing out
Submitted by emperor on Fri, 04/03/2009 - 06:11.I don't know man. Someone else brought up a good point on another board. The first day the announcement was out, there were tons of reports already questioning the guy and his similarity to Hack/Slash. Then the next day it is actually released by him the plot of each which had more similarity. If the dude had been aware of all this I doubt much that he would have released this. Plus it takes years to make a movie man. I'm trying to do so right now. Hack/Slash has been trying to make a movie forever. About him turning down other movies, we don't know the budgets of them, but he apparently has some connections, he just finished a film with Brad Dourif (Chucky!). I went to his IMDB page too. He also directed 24 The DVD Game written by Duppy Demetrius. Him even coming forward to acknowledge Hack/Slash is a hell of alot more than I've seen other filmmakers do. There always is 2 of the same movie coming out and they aren't acknowledging each other for shit. Plus, I know how hard it is to get funding for films, it aint easy this day and age. He's holding back on it. I think he was very noble coming forward and shit. But ultimately I agree Casey, give the project to him. It'll be better than the pg-13 stepfather remake, or the wannabee already lousy I know What You Did Last Summer.
Spin Doctor
Submitted by Casey on Fri, 04/03/2009 - 14:13.I agree to most of this. Most hollywood types wouldn't bother coming out to acknowledge the accusations, so you have to give the guy credit for that. Even if he is full of shit, he's at least a damn good spin doctor and using the negative attention to his advantage. Honestly, however this shakes out, if they release Eve and eventually Hack/Slash, the guy's assured that his movie will be viewed just as much as the more 'named' franchise in people watching it just to compare the two. People may not like the movie when it's out, but the guy's building up some sure fire rental dollars at the very least.
Spin
Submitted by Prisoner Abel on Fri, 04/03/2009 - 16:49.See that's why I get the distinct aroma of bullshit off his statement. Because it all reads as spin. The simple fact is he's not big enough to just ignore it. So he's spinning his ass off and it all reads as bullshit. I mean do I think he came up with the idea on his own, possibly years ago? Sure, I have no trouble believing that. It's all the other things he throws in to make it seem more credible that comes off as pure crap.
Here's the thing that really sticks out at me. As soon as this film was announced what was the first thing that happened? People started comparing it to Hack/Slash. Hack/Slash has been a comic book since 2004, it was optioned as a film in 2006 and before that it had a live stageplay in LA. You're telling me in all the time that's passed since then no one Metcalf has shown his script to went, "You know this sounds a little like that Hack/Slash thing"? He never once went on a single movie site that had a story about the Hack/Slash film up? For someone who claims to be such a huge fan of the genre and that the comic is right up his alley that just reeks of bullshit. That's part of why his praise of the comic rings so hollow, he says its awesome and totally his thing but he's never ever heard of it before.
And to everyone who says he's being classy. Not only does he promise not to make the movie unless its different from Hack/Slash after he already said they had almost nothing in common but he then also uses the controversy to promote his current film. He's being opportunistic, not classy. If he hadn't have released his statement it would have been a one day story but he managed to get more out of it and now everyone is talking about his movie. Pretty good for a film that no one was going to hear of, just like his other movies.
"I like it when they lie still like that."
This is very classy and maybe a little opportunistic
Submitted by homen on Fri, 04/03/2009 - 19:04.Coming from the entertainment side of things, I can tell you this much. If he is opportunistic, he's a genius. But I have clients that I work with who are far too arrogant to step forward. The general response from alot of these people would simply be something along the lines of "Well, I created this a long time ago." They would refuse to acknowledge the other creator and his work.
But what separates Brian and makes him look good, opportunistic or not, is that he clearly gives praise to Tim, his works and acknowledges him first AND states to change direction. There will always be doubt from people, and it seems as though that no matter what new information were to come out, you've made your mind which is fine.
I am quite certain that he has made some enemies amongst his inner circle because of this. His investors really don't care about originality. They want to get it done and make money and that's all. Brian really did seem to write from his heart because I doubt his publicist would allow him to bow down like that. It was a very humbling move on his part.
I am telling you that from my all my years experience, I have received an enormous amount of similar script ideas and I know alot of them have not heard of Hack/Slash nor Eve. I'm certain I will read others similar. And yes, Asylum will copy this for sure. But they won't give any acknowledgement to anybody. And they certainly won't give a statement changing direction on creativitiy. I do consider that he's being very classy for this statement, and sure maybe a little opportunistic for his other film. Its a business and Brian has to make a living somehow.
Budget
Submitted by Prisoner Abel on Fri, 04/03/2009 - 16:54.I'm not clear on what the difficulties of raising a film budget, something I am all too familiar with, has to do with him claiming to have turned down movies because they were too similar to other movies. I'm not saying he isn't connected or hasn't made movies. He's made more than me. But he's said in the statement that he's hurt his career by turning down movies because they were too similar to others. Yet, the only films he's made are the ones he's written, so either he turned down every film offered to him or he hasn't been offered any.
I have no problem with him making the movie. Hell, if Asylum can put out a Transmorpher for every Transformer movie then he has every right to make any kind of movie, even if it is a rip-off some another. I don't even really think it is a rip-off as the first time I read about it I didn't think it was all that close.
What I'm just saying that his statement isn't nearly as classy as people seem to think it is and that a lot of what he says comes off as bullshit.
"I like it when they lie still like that."
Budget
Submitted by homen on Fri, 04/03/2009 - 19:14.Again, this is not too difficult to believe that he turned down other projects. After he directed a film with the names he did, he had to have been getting buzz. And Elaine Hendrix jumped to his next project. She's done some very high profile projects (Parent Trap, Romy and Michelle's High School Reunion). He even worked with Kiefer Sutherland. So he's getting offers now. I can tell you that much.
There are so many rip-off movies out there that I am surprised he would respond. Did you know I received a script about a guy who is poisoned and has to stay awake and find out who did it by constant adrenaline rush. Sounds like Crank. Well, thing is, this was more of a mystery than an action film. And it was put on my desk three years before that film came out by a no name writer.
Abel, you seem like someone trying to break in the business yourself. Look at it like this, you just finished your first film, you get funded for your second film, you get announced and then suddenly some web kids claim foul that you stole their idea. So now you turn back to your team (granted only your second film) and say we're going back to the drawing board. You upset your agent, manager, investors, actors all of which are getting paid. They really don't care about creativity. I know these guys. They care about money and that's it. He's risking career suicide amongst his peers because they could think he might do that on the next project he gets funded if someone claims that he stole their idea. And to be honest, I've seen way too much in this industry - I highly doubt he did.
Finally, one last thing. The
Submitted by homen on Fri, 04/03/2009 - 19:27.Finally, one last thing. The horror genre is by far the easiest genre to break into. It requires no name actors and can still make alot of money. The first offers anybody gets are horror films, most are formulaic. The reason there are alot of typical teen slashers is because they bring in a certain amount of revenue which is charted and calculated down to the cent. I know alot of writers who break in by accepting a horror film as their first project. If Brian stated that he turned down a big visual effects movie like Spiderman 4, I'd sense the guy is taking us for a spin. But there is nothing he says in his release that leads me to believe so.
Shit, can you break me in?
Submitted by jarr on Fri, 04/03/2009 - 19:37.Shit, can you break me in? How do i get into movies and directing?
Proper grammar and avoidance
Submitted by homen on Fri, 04/03/2009 - 19:45.Proper grammar and avoidance of slang would be a nice starter Jar(r). Breaking into the business is quite difficult to do. I try to write my own scripts in my spare time but it can be rather difficult timewise. I've had projects shopped around and they never really went anywhere. To make a film is like an act of miracle. It is very time consuming and can take decades to do so. That's why I'm not surprised hearing Brian talk about trying to make this since 1999 - very, very realistic timeframe. But if you really want to learn, go pick up books on scriptwriting and get Final Draft. Make sure you have proper formatting or your script will get thrown in the trash, regardless of quality.
I give props to da man for
Submitted by jarr on Fri, 04/03/2009 - 21:13.I give props to da man for being able to do tis for a livin'. Beats flippin' burgers and only bloggin' about his films.
Heya Homen, already got myself an original script done about a chick killin' a bunch a serial killaz with y chromasomes out there with lotta titties and blood. Ya interested?
Flipping burgers? I wonder
Submitted by homen on Fri, 04/03/2009 - 21:36.Flipping burgers? I wonder why...
Missed the point
Submitted by Prisoner Abel on Fri, 04/03/2009 - 20:29.You seem to be missing my point. I'm not claiming that he didn't come up with the idea on his own. I'm saying his statement is bullshit spin. Every film he's made is his own film. He's written and directed every single one. That means he's turned down every single film that been offered to him, which I don't find likely since he could always rewrite them if he found them too similar to something else.
You're also assuming things based on the names that appeared in his films. You have no idea if Elaine Hendrix "jumped" to his next film. Names in movies don't really mean anything. Dourif appeared in the Hazing, he's not above appearing in low budget shlock. To put another way, a friend of mine just had Clint Howard and Daniel Von Bargen appear in his last film, whose budget was too small to even talk about.
The main point though is that he's not talking about going back to the drawingboard. Look at his words very carefully. As I pointed out he said he wouldn't proceed unless he could make the film different enough from Hack/Slash. But he's already state the films are basically completely different except for some minor similarities. The film doesn't even go into production for another year as his current film is still in post. He has plenty of time to change the film if he wanted to. He has no intention of halting production and he's not endangering his career in anyway. He's using his statement to keep the story going and to promote Eve and his current film.
I've worked in TV and film for 8 years now. I have no illusions that people come up with similar ideas all the time. But as I said else where, the first thing that happened when the film was announced was people started comparing it to Hack/Slasher. So, I just highly doubt that no one ever pointed to Metcalf before that his script sounded a lot like Hack/Slash before now and that he was completely unaware of its existence. I pitched a movie about the Grim Reaper several years ago and I kept hearing that is was similar to Dead Like Me where ever I went. I had never seen the show but I still knew of its existence, just like I'm sure Metcalf was with H/S.
"I like it when they lie still like that."
Abel, I am not missing your
Submitted by homen on Fri, 04/03/2009 - 20:36.Abel, I am not missing your point, nor am I trying to start an argument with you. On the contrary, I am agreeing with certain points. One of my posts even claim that he is being opportunistic. But again, my point is its very common to only do your own films. M Night was offered a ton of films to direct, which he turned down. He was asked to write Indiana Jones 4, which he turned down for his own film. Nothing said is extraordinary bull.
And Elaine may have jumped to his next project. No arguments there. But talent has to eat too.
I have to disagree with you on one thing, names mean everything in this business. The film is judged and sold on names. I have been in so many sales meetings where the first thing asked is the name. Doesn't matter on budget. It's fine that Brad has done low budget schlock. But after getting Brad Dourif, Thomas Ian Nicholas, Mackenzie Rosman, Elaine Hendrix all in his film, its no stretch of the imagination to get a low budget horror film offer with no names by any means.
I'm not arguing with you either that he may not be going to the drawing board. I am saying it appears he is delaying some of this. If the script is fully done, in order to make the slightest changes, he has to go back to investors, actors, distribution, etc. to have people that are on board "sign off" on the project. It is a tremendous headache. You can't just decide to change things and then, plop, its done. It doesn't work that way. It's like corporate business. It doesn't matter that its going into production another year. It can take a very long time to get ready for pre-production from storyboarding, to visualization, animatics, etc. The change on the father is dramatic and would take time.
In order to be bonded with
Submitted by homen on Fri, 04/03/2009 - 20:45.In order to be bonded with alot of investors, you have to have your works checked for comparison. I'm willing to bet they did that and didn't find anything. Listen, I've been in film for 20 years, I have never heard of Hack/Slash until recently either. I don't think of myself living under a rock either. There are dozens of posts everywhere from people who claim to have never heard of the comic. Perhaps if it had been a film or bestseller, it would have received more notice, but you're talking about an underground comic. And yes Relativity has picked it up but I must have missed that. It never made enough waves for me to notice. Probably due to the fact that it was in development hell for years. I'm not defending Brian, I am defending the way which I know business is done in the industry. If Brian comes out and says something completely off the wall, I'm going to criticize that quite well.
Not arguing
Submitted by Prisoner Abel on Fri, 04/03/2009 - 21:13.We seem to be agreeing on the major points and disagreeing on the minor ones. There's definitely no bad blood on my part here so I hope I'm not giving that impression.
However, rewrites are done up until the last days of shooting on some of the films I've worked on. So rewrites are not as hard as your depicting and Metcalf made clear that the changes would be minor ones.
Also, if the film was bonded then someone did a terrible job. This is not an underground comic or film. Its been in the news a lot. It had a cross-over with the Suicide girls that was reported in non-genre outlets. It had a live theatrical play in LA that again was covered in non-genre outlets. It had a cross-over with Child's Play as well. It's certainly not as large as something from the Big 2 companies but its not hard to find. I know all this and I've never even read an issue of it. Either someone didn't go their job or Metcalf is being less than honest. I side towards the less than honest. If Metcalf has tempered his statement I'd be more likely to believe him wholeheartedly but so much of it reads as hyperbole or at least overblown and huckster-ish that I don't.
PS: M. Night isn't the best example to use since Auteurs like Taratino and he are rare and build their own careers in ways that most filmmakers don't get to.
"I like it when they lie still like that."
Agreed
Submitted by homen on Fri, 04/03/2009 - 21:33.We are agreeing on all the major points here.
It's true rewrites are done to the last minute, but normally those are decided between the higher ups.
As for the bonding and clearances, I've heard of a thousand horror stories that would make you white with fear. Alot of these places have even got out of business.
Again, no disagreeing with you about it getting out there, either, nor its fanbase. But it doesn't change the fact that I never heard of it and so many others like me. Did you know I had lunch yesterday with some other associates and this was our main discussion? Of the four of us, only one had heard something of it, and couldn't remember much about it at all. We aren't working in blue collar average jobs. We work in the filmmaking industry, reading scripts. Again, I'm going to give Metcalf the benefit of the doubt here on this only because he hasn't given me personally anything to doubt him. Again, I've never met this person, nor knew anything about him until recently so he's not my friend. If he does something stupid, I will gladly point it out.
But Metcalf did do which is out of the industry standard, he conceded to the other guy. It does show great character amongst a bunch of egos in the biz. Because half of my clients, they wouldn't dare do so.
Lastly, I agree with you again, M. Night. Don't get me started on Tarantino, because of my love for anonymity, I can tell you he swipes films and scripts like nobody's business. He stole the script from Roger Avary, He swiped True Romance from a Thai Film. I find it amazing the level of respect he gets. And his ideas are taken from actual movies, not comic books.
Also Metcalf said the
Submitted by homen on Fri, 04/03/2009 - 21:39.Also Metcalf said the father/mother part was similar and the rest vastly different. I've read the two synopsises and I really don't think they are that similar to warrant such attention. Tim and Brian are both the real winners for the press. And if I were them, I'd use it to my advantage to.
And no there is absolutely no bad blood between us Abel. I enjoy intelligent debates. Then there's Jar(r)...
The original issue
Submitted by Prisoner Abel on Fri, 04/03/2009 - 21:49.I think the thing I originally took umbrage with was the idea that he was backing off or down from Eve in anyway. Its clear he's just using this as an opportunity to promote himself, the film and his current film. I don't know him in anyway but his statement just felt very huckster-ish and insincere. He talks about dropping the film completely when its absolutely clear he has no intention of doing that.
As for Taratino, I wasn't commenting on him as a filmmaker merely as an anomaly. His "borrowing" of other films is well known. Reservoir Dogs is impressive until you see City of Fire.
"I like it when they lie still like that."
I completely agreed with you
Submitted by homen on Fri, 04/03/2009 - 21:58.I completely agreed with you Abel on Tarantino. Because I can hide "myself" I can tell you I have absolutely no respect for him and neither do my close circle. He is the perfect example of someone who flat out steals and will never come forward with a statement like Metcalf. Alot of them are like him.
Metcalf has never shown me YET that he's stealing. He is not shutting down his film, only making changes. I still have respect for Metcalf which may end after seeing his film, who knows. But after swimming with the sharks I've been around, Metcalf is a dolphin.
Yikes, I better get back to work.
Dude, you'd take anything
Submitted by jarr on Fri, 04/03/2009 - 19:35.Dude, you'd take anything and so would I if offered the chance to direct something. This dudes already worked with Brad Da Man. If he took a typoica l slasher film, it'd be a step down in his career. It's like high school, once you're in with the popular crowd you don't wanna be seen with the losers. All the guy's sayin' is dat he don't wanna get caught up in the usual crap.
Emperor, you have touched a
Submitted by homen on Fri, 04/03/2009 - 21:00.Emperor, you have touched a very valid point. If I were his publicist, and saw all this stuff going around about comparisons, the LAST thing I would have him do is release the synopsis and art right away. And for the fact that it is worded closesly to H/S tells me he was completely unaware of the posts. He would not want to be made to look like an idiot. I'm willing to bet he was told after the fact by someone on his team later.
The problem is that Brian seems to be so busy with wrapping his current film, it seems that he is doing visual effects for it right now, that he doesn't check too much with what's happening. His schedule is full from his current film to now Eve. I can only speculate what happened but if I were to bet money on it, I'd go with that.
guaranteed
Submitted by Casey on Thu, 04/02/2009 - 17:59.Oh you can pretty much guarantee this will come out now. The dude's getting boat loads of free publicity and its a surefire cash in just in people tuning in to see how close they are.
More to the confusion
Submitted by homen on Fri, 04/03/2009 - 06:48.I have been watching these posts from all these sites for a while and felt the need to comment. My job is working for a literary agency in LA basically reading scripts all day. Some by well known script writers. In the last ten years, I can't count the sheer amount of similar plots as Eve and Hack/Slash. One about a little girl whose parents are killed so she goes renegade on serial killers - mind you this is over ten years ago!!! Another about a brother and sister avenge their parents' deaths so they go after killers, very similar to Cassie and Vlad. The list goes on and on. I read a story about a girl who went around killing zombies and vampires - before Joss Whedon's time. Yes I'm that old, but with it comes wisdom and experience. Sorry but none of these are original plots. I highly doubt Brian took his plot from H/S. He already admits swiping it from the 80s horror films. And it makes sense, virtually every remaining girl in these films kill the killer.
one last thing
Submitted by homen on Fri, 04/03/2009 - 06:54.I know one of these projects in particular have been in development hell as long as Freddy vs. Jason - at least seven years for this one.